WEEK 3 DISCUSION ‘Justice’ (being just)
The concept of justice, in general, is complex and somewhat nebulous (and thus specified differently by the diff
WEEK 3 DISCUSION ‘Justice’ (being just)
The concept of justice, in general, is complex and somewhat nebulous (and thus specified differently by the different aspects of it), and, of course, deeply philosophical, considering that every society has its own ideas of what is and isn’t just in the different spheres of life where the concept must be applicable, so after finding and accepting a definition, we should ask ourselves, what is justice to us, personally, when it is related to crime and punishment in the 21st century America, and how much of our own conviction (no pun intended) regarding those issues agrees with the way our society manages them, and also, if you consider the idea of social justice an integral part of the issue (dilemma?) of crime and punishment or separate from it? For starters, please see the dictionary definition of justice below.
Please understand that such issues can lead to the conflict of opinion with other students who may see things very differently, so please refrain from name-calling, empty propaganda (use facts, instead), and assigning blame to certain groups of people or to one political party or another (there is plenty of blame to go around in every direction, in any case) and try to focus on facts and logic in support of your argument.
Here is your discussion challenge:
Before you start: Please watch the Movie Moments videos — they provide information you should know before you make your argument one way or another.
1. Try to define ‘justice’ regarding ‘crime and punishment’ in our society. What is justice, in essence, within that framework? Punishment? Retribution? Deterrence? Correction? Protecting society from harm? Maintaining the status quo (a tradition and social order to be upheld and continued unchanged) and, if so, can it be separated from another concept, ‘social justice?’
2. Is our justice system ‘just,’ according to the definition you find relevant, and also, is it so according to its moral definition in our society? What can be the reason for ‘injustice’ (if there is any) within our justice system?
3. There are all kinds of talks about the need for prison reform — why? Is there anything wrong with it? And if so, how could the system be improved (in case it should be improved)?
Here is a dictionary definition of ‘just:’
1. Honorable and fair in one’s dealings and actions: a just ruler. See Synonyms at
2. Consistent with what is morally right; righteous: a just cause.
3. Properly due or merited: just deserts.
4. Law Valid within the law; lawful: just claims.
5. Suitable or proper in nature; fitting: a just touch of solemnity.
6. Based on fact or sound reason; well-founded: a just appraisal.
adv. (jəst, jĭst; jŭst when stressed)
1. Precisely; exactly: just enough salt.
2. Only a moment ago: He just arrived.
3. By a narrow margin; barely: just missed being hit; just caught the bus before it pulled away.
4. At a little distance: just down the road.
5. Merely; only: just a scratch.
6. Simply; certainly: It’s just beautiful!
7. Perhaps; possibly: I just may go.
Almost; very nearly: This job is just about done.
Only a moment ago.
[Middle English juste, from Old French, from Latin iūstus; see
n. & v.
American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.
a. fair or impartial in action or judgment
b. ( as collective noun; preceded by the): the just.
2. conforming to high moral standards; honest
3. consistent with justice: a just action.
4. rightly applied or given; deserved: a just reward.
5. (Law) legally valid; lawful: a just inheritance.
6. well-founded; reasonable: just criticism.
7. correct, accurate, or true: a just account.
8. used with forms of have to indicate an action performed in the very recent past: I have just closed the door.
9. at this very instant: he’s just coming in to land.
10. no more than; merely; only: just an ordinary car.
11. exactly; precisely: that’s just what I mean.
12. by a small margin; barely: he just got there in time.
13. (intensifier): it’s just wonderful to see you.
14. informal indeed; with a vengeance: isn’t it just.
15. just about
a. at the point of starting (to do something)
b. very nearly; almost: I’ve just about had enough.
16. just a moment just a second just a minute an expression requesting the hearer to wait or pause for a brief period of time
17. just now
a. a very short time ago
b. at this moment
c. South African informal in a little while
18. just on having reached exactly: it’s just on five o’clock.
19. just so
a. an expression of complete agreement or of unwillingness to dissent
b. arranged with precision
[C14: from Latin jūstus righteous, from jūs justice]
Usage: The use of just with exactly ( it’s just exactly what they want) is redundant and should be avoided: it’s exactly what they want
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014
1. within a brief preceding time; but a moment before: The sun just came out.
2. exactly or precisely: That’s just what I mean.
3. by a narrow margin; barely: just over six feet tall.
4. only or merely: I was just a child. Don’t just sit there.
5. at this moment: The movie is just ending.
6. simply: We’ll just have to wait and see.
7. quite; really; positively.
8. guided by reason, justice, and fairness.
9. done or made according to principle; equitable: a just reply.
10. based on right; lawful: a just claim.
11. in keeping with truth or fact; true; correct: a just analysis.
12. given or awarded rightly; deserved: a just punishment.
13. in accordance with standards or requirements; proper or right: just proportions.
14. (esp. in Biblical use) righteous.
15. actual, real, or genuine.
[1325–75; Middle English < Latin jūstus lawful, deserved, just, adj. derivative of jūs law, right] just′ly, adv. just′ness, n. And here are a few links that can help you started: On right and wrong: Why innocent people plead guilty? http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2014/11/20/why-innocent-people-plead-guilty/ It is not so simple: Why people keep returning to prison? http://www.nbcnews.com/id/35263313/ns/business-careers/t/unable-get-jobs-freed-inmates-return-jail/#.WUdK_-vyuCo The difficulties of parole. https://people.missouristate.edu/michaelcarlie/what_i_learned_about/pp/difficulties.htm Psychology Discussion Requirements: 1. You are required to have 3 posts in each discussion, and these three posts must be made on three separate days. The first post is the initial response to the question that appropriately and completely addresses the topic 2. Your initial post (your response to the topic) must contain a citation. It is your ideas supported by research. Please refer to the APA PowerPoint in the Start Here section of the classroom for information on proper formatting. There will be a deduction of 20 points for failure to cite a source within your initial post and to provide a reference at the end of your initial post. 3. Your initial post must be a minimum of 400 words and each response must be a minimum of 350 words. Please double-check your word count. Only posts that meet the word count requirements receive credit. 4. Post your word count at the end of each post. There will be a 5 point deduction for each failure to provide a word count. 5. Please address fellow students and professor by name. There will be a 5 point deduction for each failure to address by name. 6. Please use spell-check and proper grammar. Points will be deducted for each spelling and grammatical error up to 10 points for each post. REPLY TWO PEERS MINIMUN 350 COUNT WORDS The remaining two posts are responses to two different classmates 1- Dennise Williams COLLAPSE Top of Form What is “Justice”? Dennise M. Williams Critical Thinking, Keiser University Professor Zoltan Vamos September 13, 2021 The definition of Justice can mean different things for each of us. There are many meanings of the word “Just” or “Justice” in the dictionary. It means “honorable” or exactly, precisely, consistent with Justice, fair, “impartial “and consistent with Justice. These are many examples of the word Justice. Crimes are committed every day, and the laws are made by men and are broken by men. The legal system was supposed to be made for punish people when the laws are broken, but there are so many flaws in the system. There are so many injustices done in society today. American citizens have the right for a speedy trial of twelve of their peers. These people must use all the evidence to prove within a reasonable doubt that the person was guilty or innocent. What is “right” or “wrong”. (Horowitiz,2011). This is questioning what we believe and why we believe it. Looking back in society many different ethnic groups didn’t have “Justice”. How can you get a fair trial when science was not brought into the courtroom until 1923? Millions of people’s lives were taken from them in some way or form because of “eyewitness statements” These statements held strong credibility with the court and until science was brought in many people went to jail or prison on false charges. (Rakoff,2012). According to the “American’s Guilty Plea Problem” out of 350 people about 10 percent of the people are guilty but most of the people were innocent, and they had to plea out because of the overrun court systems, or the social status of the person matters because of the financial costs of lawyers. “Social Justice “plays a big role in the court system. If you didn’t have the means or privileges for within society, pleading out was the only choice they had even if they were innocent. This appeared to be the only option because if they took it to trial, they might receive a must severe charge or punishment. When science met law, this helped hundreds of thousands of innocent people. (Fraser.2012) “Reconstructive memory “happens without our awareness. Bits and pieces of information is only used when recalling experiences and only partial of the information is stored. The definition of Justice means fair so is it fair for the killer of a mother gets parole or should he get the death penalty. In my eyes the laws are not fair because Justice for me is not the same as justice for the next person. Can there really be “retribution’ for a child losing their parent? Can a person really be rehabilitated and change? Socrates’ believed in “Examine of life”. This was questioning what we believe and why we believe it. I believe in rehabilitation and retribution to society and the ones we hurt. If the death penalty is enforced, it doesn’t change the pain and suffering. It won’t change the pain or bring back someone from the dead. If someone is executed, they can try to pay back what they took, life. 2 . ERICK SOTO . Try to define 'justice' regarding 'crime and punishment' in our society. What is justice, in essence, within that framework? Punishment? Retribution? Deterrence? Correction? Protecting society from harm? Maintaining the status quo (a tradition and social order to be upheld and continued unchanged) and, if so, can it be separated from another concept, 'social justice?' When I think of justice, I think of the laws being enforced to make sure everyone follows them and if a person does wrong, they’re treated accordingly to the crime they committed. Justice doesn’t just punish those who break the law but also helps those who are innocent. Generally, when we think of justice, we think it “is a rational judgment involving fairness in which the wrongdoer receives punishment deserving of his/her crime” (Gordon, 2016). Social justice on the other hand is slightly different because it goes more into equal rights, opportunity, and treatment. The terms justice and just are similar in that they both involve fair decisions. 2. Is our justice system 'just,' according to the definition you find relevant, and also, is it so according to its moral definition in our society? What can be the reason for 'injustice' (if there is any) within our justice system? Our Justice system tries its best to be just, but I fear that it’s still not good enough since mistrials and innocents keep being sent to jail. When it comes to the moral definition in our society, I think our system is just. Lawyers in a courtroom will try to sway the opinions of the court so that their client may win even if their client is the one that did the crime. The reason for the injustice in our system could be corruption or the lack of evidence for a full, complete, and fair trial to be done. 3. There are all kinds of talks about the need for prison reform, why? Is there anything wrong with it? And if so, how could the system be improved (in case it should be improved)? “Prison reform is one remedy to the ineffectiveness of our justice system that many states and the federal government have explored. Prison reform is focused on ensuring public safety and restoration for those impacted by crime through the creation of a constructive culture within our prison system” ("Why prison reform matters in America," 2018). Prison reform tactics such as mental help support, substance abuse treatment, and faith-based programs have been effective tools with the reduction of misconduct, reduced drug use, and reduced reincarceration. Prison reforms seek to provide individuals with a constructive and dignified experience while they are incarcerated, and they’re provided access to tools to help transform their lives. This is done by ensuring that individuals are given the opportunity to use these tools in their time incarcerated in a constructive manner and allows them to maintain positive relationships with their support network, this can increase the likelihood they become productive members of their communities upon reentry to normal life after leaving prison ("Why prison reform matters in America," 2018).